tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post1370514772783074174..comments2024-03-18T03:28:36.581-04:00Comments on Shrink Rap: Where Do Tests Come From?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-63311334202152908292007-12-16T00:51:00.000-05:002007-12-16T00:51:00.000-05:00I saw a female pelvis, with an alien monster there...I saw a female pelvis, with an alien monster there (around it, within, sort of in the same space at the same time, and not).<BR/><BR/>Oh, hey, once upon a year, I was noodling around the net, and ran on to Tickle.com.<BR/><BR/>They have an ink-blot test, but not to diagnose mental illness, just to tell various traits among a normal population. It looked free, so I took it. It was very interesting!<BR/><BR/>At the end they tell you one or two leading things, basically, you then have to pay a fee to get your "results". Which, since I was bored, and overspending, I did.<BR/><BR/>I've got them around here someplace, I'll have to dig em' up.<BR/><BR/>One thing that I like was it said in various psychological language that in the core of me I'm a kind person. Or something.<BR/><BR/>Now, not that I need a test to tell me what I am, but the way it talked about it was very me, the things it said, that surprised me at first and then I realized they surprised me because I don't really show alot to people, so the insight was surprising from an external source.<BR/><BR/>It says the test is just for fun, and NOT diagnoses.\<BR/><BR/>I'm curious how you three shrinks would turn out!<BR/><BR/>I'll dig mine up and post a bit of what it told me, maybe.<BR/><BR/>I did feel sort of like I'd been "had", though, when I got to the end and they wanted money. That's ok, go take the free test, see what wierd things you see in the blots.Sarebearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09208596053319110470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-7361430991091886842007-12-15T18:02:00.000-05:002007-12-15T18:02:00.000-05:00I first thought the inkblot was a pelvis, but then...I first thought the inkblot was a pelvis, but then I thought, "Is it supposed to be two scary fighting dragons who are going to burn down Seaview, Kansas?" P.S. I think enimy *may* be crazy, but who am I to judge?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-51648676294950003782007-12-14T19:36:00.000-05:002007-12-14T19:36:00.000-05:00The inkblot looks like a pair of Sea Horses kissin...The inkblot looks like a pair of Sea Horses kissing to me. Do Sea Horses kiss? Arent they asexual?Assrothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14093506505019819353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-18487379555967412602007-12-13T23:18:00.000-05:002007-12-13T23:18:00.000-05:00I saw a crying horse.Weird.I saw a crying horse.<BR/>Weird.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-18518738667096974252007-12-13T19:10:00.000-05:002007-12-13T19:10:00.000-05:00Man with a beardMan with a beardAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-84542508238320393242007-12-13T09:40:00.000-05:002007-12-13T09:40:00.000-05:00I've been a psychologist for 35 years. I have work...I've been a psychologist for 35 years. I have worked in a community mental health clinic and in private practice. The last time I used the Rorschach was when I was in grad. school. And outside of intelligence testing, which I did for a while as a school consultant, I haven't done any testing at all. I'm not atypical.Could you maybe have a skewed notion of what psychologists do? Kind of like some psychologists have a psychiatrists? Just wondering.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-79417062338075887992007-12-13T09:39:00.000-05:002007-12-13T09:39:00.000-05:00No, the inkblot is totally a pelvis. I think it's...No, the inkblot is totally a pelvis. I think it's a male pelvis, because it's kinda narrow, but it could also be an android female pelvis. Either way a set up for CPD.Midwife with a Knifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04309579302399381913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-56464108062636808942007-12-13T09:00:00.000-05:002007-12-13T09:00:00.000-05:00moustaches are silly too. another silly thing is e...moustaches are silly too. another silly thing is enlarging font size to make it look like you wrote more that one line. teachers know this trick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-67283075041652528112007-12-13T08:09:00.000-05:002007-12-13T08:09:00.000-05:00Roy silly? I would think big hair would be a bett...Roy silly? I would think big hair would be a better indictor of silliness and I'm not going near that inkblot thing. It needs color.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-84879143757009667392007-12-13T01:04:00.000-05:002007-12-13T01:04:00.000-05:00"test-retest reliability"Oh don't forget that prev..."test-retest reliability"<BR/><BR/>Oh don't forget that previous testing can be a threat to internal validity! And perhaps Roy is actually so silly that he becomes a Statistical Regression Threat...<BR/><BR/>Okay, you guys are killing me, I just took this exam!<BR/><BR/>I think I see Evil eating love in the weird ass seahorse fox dancing picture.Ladyk73https://www.blogger.com/profile/08293016397853788993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-66544700506804632672007-12-13T00:57:00.000-05:002007-12-13T00:57:00.000-05:00I see two toupee-wearing eels or seahorses with tr...I see two toupee-wearing eels or seahorses with trigger-tongues, two wolves with feet touching, hair extensions for skunks, a pliers/wire cutter seen at an angle, a mining drill, a yeti crab, pincers, an octopus or octopus-shaped potted plant, an arm and hand reaching down, Medusa, a funny frog or an ugly bird with a strange beak, a tornado personified, annnnd....two black rat-chicks with stalked eyes. Sorry, no pelvis. Perhaps a birth canal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-16903436654719479402007-12-13T00:53:00.000-05:002007-12-13T00:53:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Emy L. Nostihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17695055570935360660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-68439474800995204562007-12-13T00:06:00.000-05:002007-12-13T00:06:00.000-05:00OK, I'll play. I see two fox heads looking at eac...OK, I'll play. I see two fox heads looking at each other and playing pattycake with their feet. While I do not see a pelvis, I am surprised that I missed an opportunity to do so.Royhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08735111026336537653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-67194225811065504922007-12-12T23:42:00.000-05:002007-12-12T23:42:00.000-05:00Alison--it depends on whom you ask and what kind o...Alison--it depends on whom you ask and what kind of validity you're talking about. The Rorschach has terrible face validity, which isn't actually a bad thing (as people can't fake good or bad if they don't know what the "expected" response is). But as for construct validity or external validity... yeah, it depends on whom you ask and how you phrase it.<BR/><BR/>The inter-rater reliability of the Rorschach is pretty good, but the test-retest reliability is weird. There are some data that are considered situational and that, appropriately, have poor test-retest reliability; and some data that are considered stable traits and therefore have high test-retest reliability.<BR/><BR/>But then again they say you can only take the Rorschach once, because (unless you have some kind of neurological damage) the blots won't be novel the second time around, and therefore the meaning of its test-retest reliability is suspect.Gerbilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05908487212760713496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-66849293620569066662007-12-12T23:35:00.000-05:002007-12-12T23:35:00.000-05:00..and that's only the start of the validation proc.....and that's only the start of the validation process.<BR/><BR/>No pelvis here. Lady at the races in her fancy hat. Hmm.HPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09409589783052980600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-7612525594302453852007-12-12T23:28:00.000-05:002007-12-12T23:28:00.000-05:00To me it looks like some sort of scary clown face ...To me it looks like some sort of scary clown face yelling at me.... What does that say about my issues? LOL I am afraid of clowns and of people yelling at me, after all! haha!<BR/><BR/>No really - when I first looked at it, I saw a pelvis, too...NeoNurseChichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16120931307124798416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-56972933342055530612007-12-12T23:09:00.000-05:002007-12-12T23:09:00.000-05:00A scarab for me!And don't inkblot tests have poor ...A scarab for me!<BR/><BR/>And don't inkblot tests have poor validity?Alison Cumminshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06370841996857073237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-64553225553797725762007-12-12T22:32:00.001-05:002007-12-12T22:32:00.001-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Gerbilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05908487212760713496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-13000128840390761832007-12-12T22:32:00.000-05:002007-12-12T22:32:00.000-05:00The first thing you have to figure out is whether ...<I>The first thing you have to figure out is whether or not the test actually measures what you want it to measure---this is known as validity.</I><BR/><BR/>Actually, this is a specific type of validity (construct, to be precise). You could also examine the face validity of your test by figuring out whether your subjects know what you are trying to measure.<BR/><BR/>And then there are so many types of reliability to consider... test-retest and interrater among them. There's also internal consistency (how well the items "hang together" to measure the same construct).<BR/><BR/>And then one would be wise to conduct additional validation studies with other populations. Does the SRSI identify the silliness of Yugos? Turducken? Speedos?<BR/><BR/>And then, if you're not too tired and you <I>really</I> want to get a nerdy Gerbil excited, you can give the SRSI to a huge (N > 300) sample and submit the data to a taxometric analysis, to see if there is a silliness taxon (a category of people whose silliness is mathematically distinct from everyone else's) within the general population. (This, btw, was my dissertation--albeit with deliberate self-injury and not silliness.)<BR/><BR/>PS: The pregnant lady did not see a pelvis. I saw a carnival mask instead. Huh.Gerbilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05908487212760713496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-51187971479856500192007-12-12T22:16:00.000-05:002007-12-12T22:16:00.000-05:00Pelvis it is.Pelvis it is.FooFoo5https://www.blogger.com/profile/06459026418242101033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-22688702193608367922007-12-12T21:55:00.000-05:002007-12-12T21:55:00.000-05:00Had to take a break from my thesis (where I am cre...Had to take a break from my thesis (where I am creating/trying to validate two scales among differing groups) to concur on the process. The validation process can take years and years. Between classical (CFA) and modern (IRT) test theory approaches, you can spend a lifetime validating and defending a scale.PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02160883537054763513noreply@blogger.com