tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post7112096084430757047..comments2024-03-18T03:28:36.581-04:00Comments on Shrink Rap: Some thoughts on Authority and VictimizationUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-52730915138337283082015-06-08T18:57:24.230-04:002015-06-08T18:57:24.230-04:00If you're being locked up and imprisoned, you ...If you're being locked up and imprisoned, you have the moral right to defend yourself in any way you can(yes, 'criminals' as well; 'resisting arrest' is not a crime it is the response of a healthy and unbroken spirit). Nurse got off lightly considering this and yes if she doesnt like it she should consider not oppressing people... the idea that authority is owed submission is the real sickness, not my voices or beliefs that do not match with what is 'acceptable' to the hive mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-22312326157584612112015-05-12T19:45:49.757-04:002015-05-12T19:45:49.757-04:00Thanks Jen -- great post. I commented on this a f...Thanks Jen -- great post. I commented on this a few years ago:<br />http://psychiatrist-blog.blogspot.com/2008/08/please-dont-eat-me.htmlDinahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09227988351623862689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-9380431485310280172015-05-12T19:33:52.603-04:002015-05-12T19:33:52.603-04:00Apparently I did not leave you the link for the ar...Apparently I did not leave you the link for the article that I thought might be food for thought for a future post. Sorry about that: <br /><br />http://depressionmarathon.blogspot.com/2015/05/dont-call-me-consumer.html<br /><br />I happen to agree with it 100%, especially the last paragraph (above the last two lines).Jennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-21401468115075673382015-05-11T19:28:24.647-04:002015-05-11T19:28:24.647-04:00Food for thought for another post sometime? I happ...Food for thought for another post sometime? I happen to agree with it 100%, especially the last paragraph (above the last two lines).Jennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-44394282481486566242015-05-06T16:15:42.698-04:002015-05-06T16:15:42.698-04:00I wasn't saying it's part of the job to pu...I wasn't saying it's part of the job to put up with sane, rational human beings biting hospital staff. But if a dementia patient thought I was a young version of his wife and slapped my ass, I wouldn't press charges against him for sexual assault. Now, if a man in an unaltered mental state grabbed my ass, that'd be whole other story...<br /><br />I'm just saying that allowances should be made when the person is obviously impaired. Also, I'm not convinced this biting case was really assault. That sounded more like self defense. Also, I want to know who ordered the woman into restraints. I was told by a nurse that it's illegal for anyone besides a doctor to order a patient into restraints. And the patient can't be tied down for biting, it has to be because there was a real fear the patient would harm him or herself. If the patient is tied down for assault, the defense lawyer will just argue self defense (the patient was assaulted by staff) and will probably win. The lawyer will just ask the nurse why she didn't give the medication orally or back off when the patient requested.Glorianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-17844694502866910092015-05-06T00:22:14.180-04:002015-05-06T00:22:14.180-04:00Anon, I am not arguing it is just part of the job ...Anon, I am not arguing it is just part of the job to be assaulted. But, it does happen when people have altered mental status. I was once assaulted by a patient with dementia. He dug his nails into my arm and wouldn't let go. I didn't like what he did to my arm, but I didn't file criminal charges against him. <br /><br />The issue I have with the example in the OP is that I don't understand how someone can be criminally responsible for biting a nurse while staff were attempting to treat her against her will because she was psychotic. They can't have it both ways. We are supposed to believe she was incompetent when they were attempting to inject her with medication, she then suddenly became competent just for a split second when she bit the nurse, and then instantly became incompetent again when the needle entered her skin. That doesn't make any sense.<br /><br />P-KAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-11577228818766588342015-05-05T17:15:54.714-04:002015-05-05T17:15:54.714-04:00I had a 15-year old Australian Shepard in emergenc...I had a 15-year old Australian Shepard in emergency care at a veterinary teaching hospital known for quality care. I picked up the dog when she was improved, but still in the process of dying. She lived for one thing... her daily walks. A few days after she was home, a state policeman showed up at my door. While one of the students was shoving pills down my dog's throat, she "bit" him, so he filed a bite complaint against my dog with the aurthorities, and I was not told when I picked up my dog. The police arrived at my house to put my dog under "house arrest" for two weeks, which meant that during the final days of her life, it was illegal to allow her beloved dog walks.Sunny CAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11451116932556227816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-14390382087824610772015-05-05T15:42:40.313-04:002015-05-05T15:42:40.313-04:00Where to begin with these comments?
First, no, it...Where to begin with these comments?<br /><br />First, no, it is not "part of the job" to be assaulted. If you believe that, I suggest you try that logic out on the next cop you meet. They are emergency responders too. EMS, fire, police, the ED -- we are 24/7 and we deal with anything, anytime. That does not mean you are in a consequence-free zone where the laws of the land and ordinary human decency do not apply. But don't take my word for it; the next person who writes you a traffic ticket, just haul off and bite them. Let me know how that goes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-13871773478113016502015-04-30T18:10:03.273-04:002015-04-30T18:10:03.273-04:00Also just -- COME ON. The nurse was not actually i...Also just -- COME ON. The nurse was not actually injured. She was not actually injured. The skin did not break, there was no blood, there was no bruise, there was no broken bone.<br /><br />In contrast, 5 security officers restrained one patient. The nurse jammed her elbow into the patient's chest -- this was necessary for her safety while 5 officers were restraining her? Seems unlikely that she was needed to assist. The nurse administered an injection after the patient verbally consented to take oral medication. These are assaults. <br />Are we really going to compare the two?? Are we really going to argue that the nurse was the traumatized and assaulted one here? Of course everyone deserves safety in their workplace but if you work in a high risk environment, there are risks. The nurse should have been well-versed in them. Even an elementary school nurse knows there is a chance of being bitten -- and significantly more severely then what this nurse experienced. Perhaps she should transfer to an ICU somewhere. <br /><br />I know this is Shrink Rap, but seriously. Give me a break. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-81167446396450394552015-04-29T21:43:28.192-04:002015-04-29T21:43:28.192-04:00So let me get this straight. She was considered i...So let me get this straight. She was considered incompetent to refuse treatment, yet when she refuses treatment she's suddenly considered competent again? Why? Because they didn't like the outcome? <br /><br />If she was competent to make decisions, then why were they treating her against her will? None of this makes any sense. It seems like competence is defined as whatever they want it to be.<br /><br />P-KAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-56306842765111451972015-04-29T16:29:57.452-04:002015-04-29T16:29:57.452-04:00Dinah - most psych patients do not have the means,...Dinah - most psych patients do not have the means, strength or ability to take on a lawsuit like that. Others fear the shame and discrimination from a public lawsuit identifying them as mentally ill. I had the option of pursuing a lawsuit for medical negligence and malpractice that was virtually certain to win through the state attorney's office against an MD therapist who "treated" me for several years but ultimately decided against it as I did not want my name associated publicly with mental illness in any way. Kudos to the woman in the article you listed, but for most people, the potential repercussions for a public acknowledgement of mental illness are too huge to overcome in reality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-75263516422403884302015-04-29T09:03:53.295-04:002015-04-29T09:03:53.295-04:00Exactly what I feared would happen, while I was re...Exactly what I feared would happen, while I was reading the Shrink Rap post, is what happened when I went to the original post -- another suicide attempt, without telling anyone of her distress. <br /><br />Why in this world would someone incarcerate (what involuntary commitment really is) someone that reached out for help? In addition, the young lady's parents were with her and willing to provide care.<br /><br />While I do not condone any form of violence, the nurse seemed to be using her position to bully someone else, and one could argue self-defense.<br /><br />All lives matter, including those with mental illness. Provoking anyone is foolish. What happened to kindness and decency, especially in healthcare?<br /><br />BKMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-20777542691815856962015-04-29T08:53:35.492-04:002015-04-29T08:53:35.492-04:00Jen -- bless you, sounds like very difficult work....Jen -- bless you, sounds like very difficult work. <br /><br />Anon -- I'm not much for 'don't bother, no one listens to psych patients.' See my Please Complain post. In this one, the case eventually settled: http://www.nyaprs.org/e-news-bulletins/2006/2006-06-08-5691.cfmDinahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09227988351623862689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-71818002242421758762015-04-29T05:00:31.734-04:002015-04-29T05:00:31.734-04:00"And if she injected the patient, even after ..."And if she injected the patient, even after the patient agreed to take the medication orally, I would call that assault. Nurse better hope no one corroborates the patient's story."<br /><br />Exactly Gloria. But sadly, if the patient files assault charges, even with corroboration, it will most likely be dismissed because as a psych patient, she has zero credibility.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-61485634270660343542015-04-28T21:16:09.713-04:002015-04-28T21:16:09.713-04:00Yeah...I've had more than a few war veterans i...Yeah...I've had more than a few war veterans in the family. Yes, it is reasonable to expect a certain amount of risk in high risk occupations. If you join the SEALS and get pissed you were in harms way then you shouldn't be there. If you work with high risk, really unstable patients, then you are running a certain amount of risk. And if she injected the patient, even after the patient agreed to take the medication orally, I would call that assault. Nurse better hope no one corroborates the patient's story...<br /><br />Glorianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-26601333838376299692015-04-28T18:32:24.615-04:002015-04-28T18:32:24.615-04:00I don't know. The guy is a journalist beating ...I don't know. The guy is a journalist beating on shitty customer service. I'm not endorsing riots, but like the police and Comcast, hospitals are known for incredibly poor service and journalist have to beat on them (with words).<br /><br />I once carried my wife into the emergency room because she was screaming in pain and I didn't know what was wrong. The nurse told her basically to "man up" and that she had to stand and fill out paperwork before getting treatment, then told her her problem wasn't serious and basically to get the fuck out. Can you imagine going to a restaurant and being told you aren't hungry enough and get the hell out?<br /><br />I once got an EKG and the nurse decided my skin was too soft and I had too much chest hair so shaved it off with a razor... without asking. I can't even think of how another business could be so invasive and not even bother to ask.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10230344931186858123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26666124.post-26483079353931490622015-04-28T17:44:50.522-04:002015-04-28T17:44:50.522-04:00I work with people with severe Autism...I have 15 ...I work with people with severe Autism...I have 15 years of training and all the degrees to match, and I get bitten to the point of broken skin and deep bruising at least twice a year, sometimes more often. Tetanus boosters every five years and a few courses of antibiotics every year, most of which I have horrible reactions to (non stop vomiting) are the norm and a given. I have insurance, but worker's comp typically covers those costs anyway, if I'd fill everything out. Usually, the $15 copay isn't worth the piles of paperwork, at least not to me. Yes, people shouldn't be "victimized," and of course there are always two sides to each story but honestly, my instinct is to say that if the nurse is seriously pressing charges against a patient that mentally ill in a psych ER, she may be in the wrong profession, or at least the wrong specialization....Jennoreply@blogger.com